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#1
04-26-2008, 06:52 AM
 JoeGnall Guest Posts: n/a
mg/l to ppm

I'm trying to find out the answer to this, before giving my daughter the Sodium Fluoride her doctor prescribed.

On the script it states for her age group (6mths-3yrs) and drinking water is partially fluoridated (0.3 to 0.6 ppm F inclusive) not to give her the supplement.

My wife and I give her Poland Spring water with Fluoride added (8fl oz bottles)

and on the Poland Spring website states the the Sodium Fluoride content is 0.8 mg/L.

Can anyone give me a hand here. I'm not a math wizard whatsoever

Joe
#2
04-26-2008, 12:24 PM
 JohnS Moderator Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: SE Michigan, USA Posts: 9,534 Rep Power: 19
Re: mg/l to ppm

Quote:
 Originally Posted by JoeGnall I'm trying to find out the answer to this, before giving my daughter the Sodium Fluoride her doctor prescribed. On the script it states for her age group (6mths-3yrs) and drinking water is partially fluoridated (0.3 to 0.6 ppm F inclusive) not to give her the supplement. My wife and I give her Poland Spring water with Fluoride added (8fl oz bottles) and on the Poland Spring website states the the Sodium Fluoride content is 0.8 mg/L. Can anyone give me a hand here. I'm not a math wizard whatsoever Joe
Water weighs 1 kg/L, and dilute solutions in water are also VERY close to this. so mg/L is essentially mg/kg, and therefore numerically equal to ppm (since there are 1 million mg per kg).

Does the label say sodium floride content or just floride content is 0.8 mg/L? Based on chemical formula and atomic weights, if you are given amount of sodium floride, the floride content would only be 19/42 of that (0.36 mg/L).

You should discuss with your doctor or pharmacists as we can only provide conversion help here, not medical advice.
#3
04-26-2008, 01:49 PM
 Mrs X can't count, can't spell! Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: New Zealand Posts: 2,433 Rep Power: 12
Re: mg/l to ppm

Joe,

Please, please can you check with your doctor? - There has been a lot of controversy about sodium fluoride over the years, and the prescription MUST be correct for a little baby. - You could take the bottle of drinking water in with you when you go to see your Dr.
#4
05-30-2009, 08:54 PM
 Unregistered Guest Posts: n/a
Re: mg/l to ppm

Quote:
 Originally Posted by JoeGnall I'm trying to find out the answer to this, before giving my daughter the Sodium Fluoride her doctor prescribed. On the script it states for her age group (6mths-3yrs) and drinking water is partially fluoridated (0.3 to 0.6 ppm F inclusive) not to give her the supplement. My wife and I give her Poland Spring water with Fluoride added (8fl oz bottles) and on the Poland Spring website states the the Sodium Fluoride content is 0.8 mg/L. Can anyone give me a hand here. I'm not a math wizard whatsoever Joe
You should never give children any fluoride. Fluoride is a great deception! Wake up people! There is already way too much fluoride being ingested.
#5
06-17-2009, 02:22 AM
 nyscof Guest Posts: n/a
Re: mg/l to ppm

Stop the fluoride !

I am not a fluoride proponent at all. However, even fluoride proponents would tell you that your doc probably prescribed the supplements because you don't live in a community that adds fluoride into the public water supply. If he knows you use bottled fluoridated water, he made a HUGE mistake. fluoride supplements are not to be given when a child consumes fluoridated water. Your doc probably assumed you used tap water. You are putting your child at great risk of developing dental fluorosis - white spotted, yellow, brown and/or pitted enamel

0.8 mg/L means 8/10 of a milligram is in one liter of water (close to a a quart)
It can also be interpreted as 0.8 parts per million (ppm)

Adequate daily intake of fluoride from all sources, according to the
Institute of Medicine, in order to avoid moderate fluorosis, which the
ADA describes as “All tooth surfaces affected; marked wear on biting
surfaces; brown stain may be present:”

· infants up to 6 months old - less than 0.01 mg
· babies from 6 - 12 months - less than 0.5 mg
· children from 1 to 3 years old - less than 0.7 mg
· children from 4 to 8 years old - less than 1 mg

"There is weak and inconsistent evidence that the use of fluoride supplements prevents dental caries [cavities] in primary teeth," according to a systematic review of fluoride supplement research published in the November 2008 Journal of the American Dental Association (JADA).

The authors could find only one study, from China, showing any fluoride cavity-preventing benefit to primary teeth and that study was probably biased with a high withdrawal rate, the authors write.

Mild -to-moderate dental fluorosis (white spotted and/or yellow teeth) is a significant fluoride supplement side effect, they report.

Fluoride supplements, although a prescription drug, were never FDA [Food and Drug Administration] tested for safety or effectiveness because sodium fluoride was on the market pre-1938 before FDA testing laws were enacted. (1)

In 2007, the American Dental Association (ADA) reported on its web site that fluoride supplements put children six and under at significant risk of permanently discolored teeth; but never shared that information with the American public, pediatricians or MD's who still prescribe fluoride supplements to toddlers. (2)

"This review confirmed that, in non-fluoridated communities, the use of fluoride supplements during the first 6 years of life is associated with a significant increase in the risk of developing dental fluorosis, write researchers Ismail & Bandekar and first published in Community Dentistry and Oral Epidemiology, February 1999, (3) but posted to the ADA's website July 2007.

Fluoride supplements sought to achieve a similar effect as fluoridation of the water supplies when it was believed that ingested fluoride reduced tooth decay. However, the Centers for Disease Control now reports that fluoride's purported beneficial effects are topical (4). Swallowing fluoride only exposes children to fluoride's adverse health effects ( ), such as dental fluorosis.

"So there is no good reason to swallow fluoride via supplements or the water supply," says attorney Paul Beeber, President, New York State Coalition Opposed to Fluoridation, Inc.

Studies link dental fluorosis to children's kidney damage (5) and bone fractures (6).

"While fluoride ingestion is proclaimed a significant cavity reducer, there is no valid science to support that," says Beeber.

Up to 48% of school children sport dental fluorosis, the outward sign of fluoride toxicity, according to the Centers for Disease Control (CDC). (7)

In the Fall 1999 Journal of Public Health Dentistry, dental researcher and former dental journal editor Brian A. Burt, Ph.D., M.P.H., B.D.Sc., University of Michigan Emeritus Professor, writes:

"It is therefore concluded that the risks of using supplements in infants and young children outweigh the benefits. Because alternative forms of fluoride for high-risk individuals exist, fluoride supplements should no longer be used for young children in North America."(8)

Even fluoridated toothpaste hasn't been proven to prevent toddlers' cavities. According to the June 2009 JADA (9) Only one study shows 1,450 parts per million fluoridated toothpaste is effective in primary dentition; but 25 - 35% of the test subjects developed fluorosis although living in a non-water-fluoridated area of England. (10)

Doubts persist about fluoridation also: "It may...be that fluoridation of drinking water does not have a strong protective effect against early childhood caries (ECC) reported Pollick and colleagues in the Winter 2003 Journal of Public Health Dentistry.

Casamassimo and colleagues report in the June 2009 JADA that high levels of ECC persist despite water fluoridation and use of fluoridated toothpaste. (11)

A study in the Fall 2008 Journal of Public Health Dentistry reveals that cavity-free teeth have little to do with fluoride intake. Researchers report, "The benefits of fluoride are mostly topical…while fluorosis is clearly more dependent on fluoride intake."

"Fluoridation began with the untested belief that ingested fluoride prevented tooth decay in small children, only. Evidence-based-dentistry now shows that swallowing fluoride poses dental risks without benefits to the very children fluoridation was supposed to help," says Beeber. Fluoridation must be stopped immediately and parents and physicians must be notified of these new scientific developments."
#6
06-17-2009, 10:44 AM
 Mrs X can't count, can't spell! Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: New Zealand Posts: 2,433 Rep Power: 12
Re: mg/l to ppm

In NZ there was a very strong political movement to remove fluoride from public drinking water in a city called Tauranga in the '90's. They succeeded, and in the 8 months following, there was a 300% increase in the tooth cavity rate for school children. The water was fluoridated again.
#7
03-16-2011, 09:47 AM
 Biology Man Guest Posts: n/a
Re: mg/l to ppm

a 300% increase in dental cavities is very easily cooked up by a change in the way the statistics are calculated and in the size of the test pool. That is a very nice even number too. I like it.

The fact is that sodium fluoride has NEVER (thats right, NEVER) been shown to improve the rate of dental caries. The thing that has shown to harden tooth enamel is Calciumfluorophosphate. Now if you want to try putting that in my water, I won't be quite as opposed to it even though that is mass medication and goes against every grain in my (by now) fluoride infested soul. If you want to mass medicate and leave us people who can still think to make a decision for ourselves, tell the government to give out free fluoride pills. then the ones who cannot take care of their teeth and are stupid enough to think that sodium fluoride will help, can poison themselves. And the ones like me who have been able to care for my own oral health can choose since we live in a "free" country.

Sodium fluoride breaks into the ion Na+ and Fl- when it dissolves, this leaves the smallest and most aggressive negative ion in the periodic table of elements to attack anything in it's way (mostly calcium in bones and the Hydroxy-appetite in tooth enamel) leaving it brittle and dessicated. Besides those two major areas there is one little tiny one that some don't think about. The Pineal gland is a very small Neuroendocrine organ hidden deep in the center of your brain that controls sexual development and many other processes. Once called the inner eye, this small gland plays a large part in metabolism, melatonin production and besides the multiple endogenous functions of the pineal gland (control of the hypothalamus and biological rhythms, and protection from free radicals) it is also responsible for emitting N,N-dimethyltryptamine (DMT), known by some as the “spirit molecule". This molecule claims responsibility for meditative states and other spiritual experiences. I will not go into detail on this blog since that is not it's focus but what you should know is that the pineal gland harbors hydroxy-appetite crystals just like your teeth does but guess what! attacking these crystals with fl- (rather than the right stuff) will render much of the pineal gland, out of order.
If this gland is out of order, you might not develop sexually as nature intends, you might instead start having your period years earlier, as a boy you might develop too soon or too late or your hormones may be so mismatched that who knows what could happen. The feeling of Joy will be less prevalent and altogether less feelable. You will be more complacent and it will be much easier to just let other think for you because you will be more worried about being able to sleep since your melatonin production will be off.
So Why are people pushing sodium fluoride so hard?
If you still can or have the will, think about it.

I study Human biology. Maybe you should study it a little too. But it's up to you because I believe in freedom to choose. I want my children to feel the joy that I felt when I was a child. we had well water. I noticed the comatose state that some of our neighbors were in when I was young. If you don't notice it in people around you then you might be a little comatose yourself.
#8
11-06-2011, 01:44 PM
 Doug Guest Posts: n/a
Re: mg/l to ppm

I am late to the party, but BRAVO! What a meaningful and well articulated response.

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